[diskussion] [Fwd: SV: Chinese visit]

Sat Aug 29 22:35:11 CEST 2009

You are most kind Roger, and patient as well. You had every right to  
dismiss me as a troll.

Unfortunately I cannot make it to Stockholm. This Tuesday we receive  
the keys to a store in Gothenburg that we hope will become Gnutiken,  
an ekonomisk föreningen that sells and supports hardware that only  
runs free software. I am sorry to miss Free Software Day in Sweden's  
capital but am certain it is in capable hands.

As for the EFF and the SE Linux, both suffer from a lack of grass  
roots interest in social and software freedoms. Hard to believe in a  
nation of fierce democrats who value their personal integrity and the  
right of free expression, but maybe it is those rights that have made  
them apathetic.

Jeremiah

On Aug 29, 2009, at 22:09, Roger Sinel wrote:

> "The EFF and SE Linux Föreningen both have a great deal of work
> to do to raise the consciousness of Free Software in Sweden."
>
> Jeremiah, you obviously have and amazing depth of knowledge about  
> this topic and have made me think about our position and our focus.
>
> Your most welcome to join us on the 19 September when we will be in  
> the trench's
> and on the streets spreading the good work to the public in central  
> Stockholm.
> Come alone and hand out a few flyers and CD's.  Your also very  
> welcome to join us afterwards when 4 FOSS föreningenar sit down and  
> discuss
> our lack of activity in the Stockholm area. After that discussion  
> you are welcome to take one of the 15 minutes "FOSS Lightning Talk"  
> slots
> And verbally present what you have written about this evening. This  
> way your knowledge and enthusiasm is spread to 4 FOSS föreningar,  
> and your well help us
> in get back on track if you feel that is what is needed. Or your  
> will have your chance to change our focus.
> Then after the Lightning Talks your can join us for a beer and  
> answer all our questions. Then were going for dinner together, by  
> that time your stuck with us
> us because you will be hungry.
>
> SFD 2009 - Stockholm 19 Sept
> http://forum.softwarefreedomday.se/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=344
>
> Jeremiah - Let me know if you want to take up my offer.
>
> /Roger
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah at jeremiahfoster.com>
> Reply-to: Svenska Linuxföreningens diskussionslista
> <diskussion at lists.se.linux.org>
> Till: Svenska Linuxföreningens diskussionslista
> <diskussion at lists.se.linux.org>
> Ämne: Re: [diskussion] [Fwd: SV: Chinese visit]
> Datum: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:20:43 +0200
>
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 20:29, Anders Lindbäck wrote:
>
>> Jeremiah Foster skrev:
>>> What about democracy, human rights, and freedom of worship?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know - It was along time ago since we had that in any country
>> on this earth - they are diminishing constantly now.
>
> Anders, that sounds awfully cynical. I think we have those things here
> in Sweden. It ain't perfect, but it's pretty damn good.
>
>
>>> What good is all this technical knowledge if they criticize the
>>> government, get put in prison for political dissent, are murdered by
>>> the State and their organs sold to Westerners?
>>>
>>> Give me a break. Free Software and software engineering practices  
>>> are
>>> worthless without real freedom - tell them to start there first.
>>>
>>> No wonder no one is part of this föreningen, you people have
>>> misplaced
>>> your priorities.
>>
>> We got a request from someone at KTH about having this meeting.
>
> Oh okay, KTH that institution of industry and government that spews
> out patents and knowledge that it then hides the same from the
> citizens who paid for it. I would look upon any request from them, and
> Chalmers too, with some suspicion.
>
>> I think it would be wrong of me to not ask for input about it
>> from the members. If noone can help - well them we just have to tell
>> them no and it's nothing more about it.
>
> Fair enough. I was mistaken to take such a negative tone. I suppose I
> am frustrated with the pace of change and feel that the föreningen
> might help hasten the rate of change.
>
>>
>> As I see it by spreading free software we also spreading the concept
>> of free speach - the expression  "free software as in free speach"
>> shows that promoting free software are a way to promote free speech.
>
> I think we need to be more explicit.
>>
>> As for priorities; the goal of föreningen is to promote free software
>> we don't have a political agenda.
>
> Well then we shouldn't have "FOSS" as the first goal.
>
>> Promoting the use of free software in
>> China is not maybe what comes first to mind but its still promoting
>> free
>> software.
>>
>> PS I used to be chairmain of the swedish version of EFF and have
>> been fighting for free speech for a very long time.
>
> I recognize that Anders and I am very grateful for your work in that
> regard. But you must admit that the EFF does not have the profile in
> Europe that it has in the United States, and that those who work for
> it have a bit of responsibility for that. As free software spreads
> through the US, Germany, and the developing world, Sweden is falling
> behind. The EFF and SE Linux Föreningen both have a great deal of work
> to do to raise the consciousness of Free Software in Sweden.
>
>
>
>>> Jeremiah
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 17:54, Anders Lindbäck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Någon som tror de kan hjälpa till och ge information om följande
>>>> en delegation från China är intresserade och fha ett möte med
>>>> Svenska Linuxföreningen och snacka om lite områden:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------
>>>>
>>>> This delegation is not a trade delegation. Like you they are also
>>>> users
>>>> in China and they would like to take contact with user in Sweden to
>>>> exchange experiences. They are interested in the following. Do you
>>>> think
>>>> that you could give them some information about the following? They
>>>> are
>>>> coming during Oct to Dec. 2009.
>>>>
>>>> - Embedded Linux system development processes and the overall
>>>> project
>>>> development methods;
>>>> - Linux operating system;
>>>> - embedded software engineering and technical norms;
>>>> - ARM embedded technology base;
>>>> - DSP applications training;
>>>> - standardization of knowledge;
>>>> - under the business model of outsourcing companies and management
>>>> organizations;
>>>> - Nordic embedded software market, such as the status quo and
>>>> development trend of the content area.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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